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You know, for an hour in which we were given a buttload of information, it seemed very slow-paced and I felt like not a lot happened.

And then... And then it was topped off with a world of no no no no no NO.

More later, Sam's running like a girl :)

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No commentary on the first half for now. I'm still crying over it. Seriously, I just... Dude, I can't... FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID SHOW! I HATE YOU AND I'M NEVER WATCHING YOU AGAIN. Until next season. Because really, I still love you. Dick move, Dean. Dick move.

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Yeah, like Dean would ever let Sam be Jimmy Page or Angus Young. I think canonically he's already Robert Plant, anyway. And Sam's totally the Bon Scott of the whole fucked up band.

Damnit, Cas is a douche!!! I kinda like it...

And what the crap is up with this random girl? She just seems so... random. I hope she has a point later, even if just in Sam's mind.

Oh Dean! You look so beautiful when you're all sad and mopey! And... all the time, really :)

Sam, seriously. What the fuck are you skulking around in the park with a shotgun for? Just get in the car and drive. And.... suddenly Sam is a crap shot. Brilliant, genious Sam, who can perform autopsies with aboslutely no trianing and can identify random seeds in peoples stomachs from half way across the world and knows what a fucking alligator belly scale looks like underneath a microscope, can't hit a giant, slow-moving oaf of a man in a pretty damn big clearing.

Okay.

Yup, that girl still makes no sense. Wait... now I get it.

Balthazar is awesome. I didn't think I'd like him if he 'went good', but I really, really do.

Hahahahaha!!! Cas is the bottom. I'm gonna have to go back and watch everything again, because I didn't get that impression. Crowley comes off threatening, but like he really wants to make Cas happy.

I'm kinda... I don't know. Impressed with Sam, I guess? I didn't get the punch out of him meeting up with an alternate version of himself that I did with Dean those times, but I dig how Sam was strong enough to overcome shit and do what needs doing.

Oh, boo fucking hoo, Cas. Shut up. I have no sympathy for you at this point. Heh, especially when you stab your BFF!!! DOUCHE! Is that... is that all? Is Balthazar gone? No! I'm all teary again. Stupid show!

Ha!!! "T-rex, maybe?" The one joke of the entire two hours. I lol'd, but then again, I needed it.

Oh!!! Cas tried to gank him and... nothing!!! And then... holy crap! Damn, he got played good. Serves him right, but I cannot see this going well for Crowley.

Awww, Cas still loves Dean! Did you see that look? He's all smitten :)

Damn! That's some impressive light. But damn, no. Please, just no. I don't want Cas to be a big bad! He's a badass, yes, but I don't want him to be a villian.

Though... I wouldn't say no to watching him punish people severely. Just sayin'.

Sam. Dick move.

Wow. So that ending... I don't even know where to start. There's definitely rage, and not a small amount of pouty face. It's not like we didn't see this coming, but still. It sucks big hairy moose cock.

And in conlusion, NO. Overall, just no. Ben. And LISA. And DEAN!! And no. (And Sam and Balthazar and Cas in a slightly less 'no' sort of way, but still mostly no.) So yeah, no.

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I like how I purposely came here just to see if you commented on the first show. The first episode, well, yeah, I kept saying NOOOO at the end. Made me want to cry =[

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I know, right? I just... I can't believe it. Dean's done some shady shit in his day, but this? Too far. I hate that he mind-raped Ben and Lisa like he did, and I hate that he has to go on loving them and knowing that they have no idea who he is.

It's a shitty deal all around.

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I never really liked Lisa as a person. She always came off as righteous. But I saw in that episode how much Lisa meant to Dean, and as well as Ben, so it made me feel SO MUCH for him. And then he had to go and do THAT? It just...yeah. Pretty much made me tear up!

And the second episode? Cas? Well, glad we had that, 'cause that pretty much made me burst out laughing. Can't wait for next season now. Haha. I'm looking forward to the fanfics that will be coming up for Dean and Sam 'serving' Castiel. xD

On another note, a serious one, a tad bit upset Cas is now 'god'. I wonder where the real G-d is (I'm still convinced it's Chuck..xD)? And I'm upset Balthazar is gone! They're getting rid of all the funny ones.

Yeah, I keep saying this, and I know most people don't like her, but I really do like Lisa. And Ben. And I felt so bad for Dean and then in the next second I hated him so much. Taking their memories like that was seriously not cool. And it put them in an even worse position because the demons will still come for them (because Dean still loves them and he didn't wipe the demon's minds) but now they won't have a clue what's going on when it happens.

And hells yeah, I want to see Dean and Sam doing some kneeling and professing of love!

I'm cautiosly looking forward to what happens next season, with Cas. And... everything, really. I can't imagine it right now. It seems like they have nowhere to go.

All I can think about is Cas demanding Sam and Dean to kneel to him and show their love. Yeah you know where my mind is...

Heh, right there with ya, baby!

Well hells bell i'm stumped from beginning to end cas is the new God??????????????????

Say what you will, but, damn i'm back to being stumped............

No Lisa or ben i didn't like her with dean but damn to erase there memories like that is a dean move just to keep them out of harms way.

Obviously Dean was trying to keep them safe, but it was a dick move. It's not going to make them any safer. In fact, they're in more danger now, because demons will still know them, but they won't have any knowledge on how to fight them, or stay safe. Plus, it's a huge invasion of thier minds.

Just a bad move all around on Dean's part.

At least Cas is really hot, even if he is a ginormous douche :)

I'm still in shock over the whole thing to really process what I feel.

Dean mind-wiping Ben and Lisa. Unexpected, but REALLY glad that storyline is over and done with.

Never really liked Balthazar all that much, but Cas killing him? Poor bastard.

I've read so many people did NOT want Cas becoming the bigbad. I've accepted a lot of Cas' BS, because he could still redeem himself. But declaring himself as God? Still in shock, but I know sooooooooo many people are probably screaming at this point.

Makes for an interesting next season. How do you fight God?

Well, I'm hoping next season will be interesting. It has so much potentential with the whole Cas thing, but I have very little faith in Show to live up to that potential these days.

And I know I'm one of the few, but I'm terribly sad that the Ben and Lisa story line is over and done. I love them. Hard. I wish Dean could have found a way to make it work with them and still hunt on the side.

If it had to end, I get that, for the sake of the bottom line, but going out like they did... sucks so much ass I can't even.

The boys have killed several gods on this Show, but I hope next season is about saving Cas and ganking him.

True dat, but those Gods were... pussies. One of them was killed with a Christmas tree! (Ironically enough, that is my favorite episode)

I don't want Cas to die, but I have to agree with your predictament. That the guys will try to save Cas, or kill him in the process.

Ha!

Well, like Dean said, he's taken down some pretty big fish. The longer I have to think on it, the more excited I'm getting about what could possibly happen next season. I've heard Cas isn't going to be a series regular anymore, which I think is terrible. I'm not sure how they're going to wrap up that story line without a significant amount of Cas.

From the rumors I've heard, they did this just so they don't have to pay him as a regular. Jim Beaver, who is a guest star, has been in more episodes this season than Cas.

Like Crowley said, "Am I the only game piece on the board who DOESN'T underestimate those damn rat nightmares?!" Seriously, if I was a demon and I knew the Winchesters took down Lucifer, I would be running in the other direction! Personally, I'm still waiting for Cas to say, "I love you, Dean." So much bromance this season!

Don't worry, I'm sure that the beginning of season 7, Dean will bow down profess his undying love (and make Bobby and Sam sqeamish in the background) then after God!Cas pulls his pants his up, he'll decide he's really better off without the souls of purgatory. Really, I have confirmed this in my head.

In the meanwhile everyone should just hold hands and enjoy the Summer of Toppy/BAMF/GOD CASTIEL, the best blashphemy EVAH!

Sorry I'm a little excited...

Haha! Let's hope!

(Although I'm sort of hoping Sam'll bow down and profess some love of his own!)

didnt crowley said: "Am I the only game piece on the board who DOESN'T underestimate those denim wrapped nightmares?!"

I laughed so hard at that line^^

XD I couldn't understand those two words, so I threw in whatever sounded the closest.

My favorite line:

"Do I look like I'm joking?"

"...you never look like you're joking."

oh Peach just hold me...

I hate Sera right now. She's nothing to me. :((( for her.

I know!! I can't decide if I'm too pissed off to be sad or too sad to be pissed off.

I'm just raw. :(

It just finished on the West Coast....I feel sick to the stomach! My Cas!!! My little Cas....oh seriously felt sick. He reminded me of some of my patient's who are high on drugs. His eyes are not the same. The grandiose thinking, just his whole demeanor has changed! I just hope that, like Sam experienced, that armor of souls start to crack and the real Cas will be returned. I can't stand the thought of THAT being the Cas I fell in love with.....he denounced Dean as family...as having no family....those souls will kill him and I just hope Dean will not give up on Cas. I feel like blah now....I need to read some feel good stories now....

Right?! Him being so cool and calm about the whole thing made a little creepy and I'm so pissed with Sam for trying to kill him and Dean for being such a dick to him all the time (and for the Ben and Lisa mind-rape).

It's a big bag of non-win.

I agree, I need fic to cheer me up. Some feel good Jensen/Misha porn! Hey, give me a prompt, maybe I can lose myself in that for a while :)

Awesome! How about this prompt where with the season has now ended and Jensen and Misha are feeling the effects from the last episode...tension..animosity...sadness. Jensen can't let Misha go, their relationship to end this way..wants to make things right and goes to Misha. Something like that?! Something where at least Jensen/Misha's intense chemisty can be brought back and yeah, awesome porn that you know how to write, sweetie! :D I will be in heaven!!! Love ya!

The first time I watched the Finally I thought he said, Dean was never his family but i got it right the second time: I have no family. Which is quite a difference. Castiel doesnt exclude Dean, Bobby, and Sam because they betrayed him. He gave up on believing of having a family even the angels who he always said were his family. He had one once and they turned against him because he tried to save them by doing everything what it takes. And he tried everything to mend fences with dean who wouldnt make one step forward to him (which I dont really blame him for. but its sad. its a tragedy) But in the end having a family hurt so much to Cas that he abandoned the Idea of it completely. (In episode 20 you could see how hurt he was as everything broke down) So I think Cas capsuled his feelings to protect himself. I really hope that his lonelyness will drive him back to Dean in the end and that Dean could show him that having a family hurts sometimes but it keeps us on the right path, which he and Sammy have experienced. They hurt each other but when they were together they balanced each other out. Even as Sam was soulless Dean was good for him.)

The ending? Just... no. Not cool guys, not cool.

I´ve never liked Lisa and Ben, but the expression Dean had in the Impala with Sam after the whole "erase memories"-thing, kinda broke my heart a little.

Season 5 was, without doubt, my favorite, and I was really disappointed with season 6, but I still keeps my hopes up for season 7. I hope we get to see more "brotherly" moments, we need that after everything that´s happend. And the boys too xD

All these people saying that they don't like Lisa and Ben are making me sad :(. I love them. As both individual characters and what they represent for Dean. But yeah, on the one hand I have so much Dean hate and on the other I want to weep for him.

Seasons 1 through 3 I think were better than the rest, but yeah, 6 was hands down the worst so far. Someone mentioned Kripke was coming back for S7 though, so if that's true I'm hopeful. He's the one who keeps saying it's all about family, so I hope you're right and we do get more brother moments!

I was with them through most of the first episode, and then they lost me. Just in, okay, the Lisa and Ben thing, I actually like those characters a lot, as characters themselves and as what they represent for Dean - and I will say that does seem like the kind of dick thing Dean would do while thinking he was doing the right thing - but it makes no sense, because what about everyone else? Her friends will be all, "Dean blahblahblah" and she'll be all, "Dean who?" - "Uh, Dean that you lived with for a year and that totally made you up and move away? Remember him?"

Castiel - the problem isn't that I don't want to see them on opposite sides from each other, it's that there is no coming back from this now. I wanted Cas to have a chance at redemption. I just have to keep reminding myself that Dean got over Sam's demon blood thing eventually.

Ugh. Mindless AU reading time.

It makes me so happy to hear that you like Lisa and Ben! I'm getting all sadface over how many people seem not to like them. Ha, and I think I pretty much said exactly what you said in my response to the comment above yours :)

Dean has sort of a messed up sense of morality. I think is problem is that he always thinks he's right, so he'll just make executive desicions for everyone without asking their opinion. Like mind raping Ben and Lisa and selling his soul for Sam etc, when they're just completely dick moves.

Heh, Ash and I were chatting earlier today about exactly that wrt everyone else in Lisa's life still knowing who Dean was. What happens when the neighbour waves over and is all 'you and Dean should come over for a BBQ' and Lisa's all 'who?'.

Plus, wiping their minds won't help. The demons will still come after them, because the whole point is DEAN still loves THEM, it doesn't matter if they love Dean. And now they won't have a clue what's going on when it happens, so they'll be worse off.

It just makes a world of no sense and reeks of fuckwittery.

Yeah, I definitely want to see Cas redeem himself. I don't think Dean is holding grudges at this point though. I think if Cas said sorry and turned all good right now, Dean would be over it and they'd be pals again. The problem is that Cas is just getting started being a gigantic, power-hungry tool.

*hugs*

I thought Lisa has stood on her own two feet and they never made Ben unbelievable for his age - (so many shows have kids acting 3 to 4 years younger than they are, like the writers have never met a kid). I also really liked that Lisa wasn't trying to force Dean to give up his life, who he was - she never laid down a line about making him choose between being a hunter or having a family - until she felt her kid was in danger, that is. I also liked how Dean went from being seemingly only interested in the hunter's life in S1, to wanting the life that Lisa and Ben represented for him - (I suspect Dean really always wanted that and could never admit it). Sadly, Dean is a Winchester and can never have that life.

Yes, to what you said. Dean has a very hard time seeing the opposite side of the coin, seeing that what he considers the right choice, isn't. Or isn't always his choice to make. It's a character flaw I feel his father had too. But it totally makes what he did to Lisa and Ben absolutely believable with the character. But yeah, the mind wiping thing, while in character for Dean and heartbreaking to watch - doesn't really make sense. Like they wanted to wrap up that storyline and kind of handwaved it.

It's been pointed out to me that Cas killed Balthazar before he was all juiced up, which honestly was a dick move, to put it mildly. I mean, he let Crowley go without killing him, but he kills Balthazar? So forgiveness might not come just from getting Cas off the soul-juice. Yes, I too think Dean is still in a place where he might still want to help Cas, but you are right, they are building Cas up to be the big bad - he is just getting started.

There was this moment, right near the end of the finale, when Crowley's little spell didn't work and then Cas was there and he looked over at Dean like, "See? You should have trusted me," and I was all, "It's been a trick all along! Castiel was tricking Crowley from the beginning - yay! He didn't eat the souls," and then I was wrong and I was so disappointed, that I find it hard to think about this rationally because I had that one spark of hope, and now I'm just let down.

I always thought to Sam, "It's the blood of a demon, Sam. That can't be good." So now it's, "Those are people's souls, Cas. That can't be good." You know who ate people's souls? Famine. That's who.

/hugs/ OH! I wanted to say thanks for the LJ gift, bb! I do like shiny things! :)

So... I have to say it. This season started out weak. very weak. But it got better. I think they needed to find their way. Kripke was "gone" from his mainspot and they needed time to fill that gap. So the Episodes leading up to the Finally (17-22) fucking AWESOME! None of them would rate under 4/5 stars for me. ^^ Episode 20 would even get 6/5 stars cause it was one of the best episodes of supernatural for me. The strings came all together and I think it had the saddest break up in it I ever encountered on tv or Cinema. (yeah Iam talking about Dean and cas cause they broke up! Deans heart splittered into pieces! *poor baby*)

Ok I get what you mean with Lisa and ben and them still beeing a target: but I believe that wont happen. I think we will never see them again, the writers needed to take them out of the series without killing them for once and I am grateful for it. (the not killing part, I didnt hated them^^)

Ok and Balthazar is Dead? NOOOO! Castiel was brought back too by god. So now I will kneel down and profess my love to Castiel. Dear Castiel please resurrect Balthazar because he's awesome and he was only worried about you and he deserves a second chance like you!

ok so Castiel tricked Crowley. Did he really? I got a strange feeling how they looked at each other after right before Castiel let Crowley exit the stage. It could be planned by them. Their fight instructed so Crowley would lead Raphael into a trap. So Castiel could kill Raphael with his new powers before he/she can hide and plot against castiel by beeing a pain in the ass. ^^ Now Castiel only got to get Raphaels splittered followers. Weak and aimless without their leader.

Castiel transforming into a God like beeing is a change of events I really really like and also dislike. On the one hand. It was so well plotted and described. Every step of Castiels development was reasonable and you can see how and why he became what he is now. A powerful god who will do his best for the world and the ones who love and pray to him but who will be merciless against those who are not with him. For season six I couldnt imagine how it could go on. Season 7? Yes I see a promising next Season. What I hope for is a "world tour" in the beginning. a few months after the finally. maybe a year? The brothers in a changed world. The Angels watching the world to proccess the will of God!Cas. Maybe we have a flashback of how Castiel "visited" all the important religous places in the world. Jerusalem, Vatikan, Buddhists. Mekka. Just to show his power and regain followers under the humans. The ones who kneel, were blessed with wonders. The ones who would not accept him would be destroyed. Maybe there are Monuments of Castiel all over the world or united states. ^^. Something like that. Maybe he made a new order in the supernatural world? I dont know but there is a lot of potential.

What I dislike? There are probably never again sweet Dean and Cas moments. *cries* Its my favourite pairing and... it was nearly canon! ;)

maybe Castiel wont be that wrathful, maybe he will mend fences with dean, will show up because he is lonely and he loves Dean... I think he still does.It could happen, ok! Let me dream. ^^ (for the ones who arent slashers... I also believe he loves Dean still like a brother, but he was so hurt by him because he doubted and plotted against him. Everyone abonded him. )

To summarize it was a great finally for me, with an evil cliffhanger (I will need a lot of fiction to get over the next 4 Months). I can feel that the brothers will have a stronger bond than ever in Season 7. And my dearest wish of all is that the writers wont kill castiel and let him pop up every third or fourth episode. Maybe they will team up with Death to kill cas and Dean has to do the last step to kill him but he cant bring himself to do so and he figures a way to ripp the power from him and Castiel becomes human (cause I think all this power clouds Castiels mind a tiny bit ^^). So then he and Dean can live happily ever after and can adopt children and Sam will be uncle and Bobby Grandpa. *lol* just kidding. But maybe Cas pleads for Deans forgiveness and he will become a hunter too.

Wow, your vision of S7, with every religion around the world following Cas, is... pretty cool! I doubt they'd go that way it, though. I think right up until the end, Cas still loved Dean, but the souls changed him, obviously. So I think some of next season will be about trying to 'diffuse' him so they can get their old Cas back. Whether they'll succeed or not is up in the air.

I really did like a lot about this finale (heh, despite my overuse of the word 'no'), but I can't decide if I'm on board with Cas being the big bad next year. I sort of hate when shows take a familiar character and turn them evol, and SPN has already done that once.

And I still cannot forgive Dean for what he did to Ben and Lisa. I agree that demons won't come after them now, but that's just because the writers won't want to deal with them anymore and NOT because now that they don't remember Dean they suddenly make crappy leverage. It was a dick thing for Dean to do and a lazy thing for the writers to do.

I think I'm going to hold off on reading any post-finale fanfic for now. I just don't really feel into it.

hm maybe they wont show it directly maybe just make use of something I call "Report by messager". Its often used in dramas. someone tells you what happened or maybe they open the papers and on the title page is a Castiel Monument in the Vatikan and everyone kneels before it. ^^

Or like in the beginning of season 5 where dean listen to the radio and everywhere are is breaking hell lose. cause luzifer has risen.

The Lisa and Ben thing was so not cool. I liked what they represented to Dean -- especially Ben. For one second there my heart bled for Dean for giving up love and family and hope... and then I got pissed at him for making a choice that wasn't his to make. Maybe Lisa would've voted to forget all about Dean, but it should have been her choice, not his. Really not cool, Dean. Not cool. :(((

The ending was nasty and horrible. It totally fits with Cas's character arc, but still... what a dick move. And this from teh one angel who championed freedom and free will. And Dean will have to gank him to save the world.

I really wonder what Cas's plans are for Crowley...

Ugh. Exactly. I was heartbroken for Dean to lose them, but I was also so angry with him for not giving them the choice. He knew that wouldn't want to forget him and he took that choice away because he thinks he knows better.

I know it was just lazy writing, the writers wanting to get rid of Lisa and Ben but not able to come up with a decent way to do it, but I'm still pissed.

I hate that Cas went darkside. Except it could be really cool if they handle it right, but I just don't know.

Heh, and yes, I'm very interested in those plans for Crowley :)

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