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rockstarpeach at 10:09pm on 18/02/2011 under i like the sound of my own voice
rockstarpeach at 10:09pm on 18/02/2011 under i like the sound of my own voiceI have so much Dean hate right now.
I like Lisa. I love Ben. I know those are relatively unpopular opinions, but I think they're both great. They're cool people, they're good for Dean, they make me happy. And Dean just up and leaves them, no explanation, no returning their calls... Fucking douche.
And Ben's right. They're his family so where the fuck does he get off just dumping them on their asses?
I know, I know. He can't be with them. It doesn't fit the formula of the show, but shit. I can still want it, can't I? Why can't he still hunt with Sam and go back to them when he can? And he's full of shit with all that 'you'll turn into me' bullcrap.
He obviously wants them. They obviously want him. Just get the hell over yourself you stupid, stubborn son of a bitch, and make everyone happy!
*cough*
But uh... other than that, I really enjoyed tonight's ep :)
Sam was awesome and I wanted to hug him.
I like Lisa. I love Ben. I know those are relatively unpopular opinions, but I think they're both great. They're cool people, they're good for Dean, they make me happy. And Dean just up and leaves them, no explanation, no returning their calls... Fucking douche.
And Ben's right. They're his family so where the fuck does he get off just dumping them on their asses?
I know, I know. He can't be with them. It doesn't fit the formula of the show, but shit. I can still want it, can't I? Why can't he still hunt with Sam and go back to them when he can? And he's full of shit with all that 'you'll turn into me' bullcrap.
He obviously wants them. They obviously want him. Just get the hell over yourself you stupid, stubborn son of a bitch, and make everyone happy!
*cough*
But uh... other than that, I really enjoyed tonight's ep :)
Sam was awesome and I wanted to hug him.
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Just fucking drives and pines.
GAH!
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I think the moment tonight that broke my heart was when Lisa and Dean simultaniously told Ben to 'Go to your room'.
They need to be a family so bad!!!
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They've gotten along since way back, before Dean and Lisa got together so their bond is something that for me will sort of always be there, even when Dean's a big huge dick.
I love Dean, too. I mean, he's my boyfriend after all ;) But yeah. I'm serioulsy pissed with him over this shit.
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I know he never explained what really happened but no matter how easy going and supportive Lisa is telling her he was a Vampire at the time would not have added any warm fuzzies to their relationship I wouldn't think.
I think Dean acted very much within his character, he loves Lisa and Ben but knows he is not good for them not just because of the job but because of everything he carries around with him. As he told Sam his way of dealing with all the memories is periodic bouts of violence and alcoholism,is that really the kind of person either Lisa or Ben really need?
I'm hoping that when the series is finally coming to an end he will wind up with them.
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And I'm not saying he acted out of chracter, just that he was kind of a dick :)
I know it's not realistic, but I just Dean with them so much, and he handled that whole situation very badly.
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What a change. Dean is the douche and Sammy is the good one. Someone needs to tell Dean that it's Sammy's job to be the douche. He just needs to look pretty and do what we tell him to do.
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Because Lisa said no. Yeah, she told him to come back when he could; then she told him she and Ben couldn't be in his messed-up-thing-with-Sam with him. And then she finally admitted that actually she couldn't cope with the constant likelihood of him getting killed -- which was there when she first told him to go be a hunter and come when he could.
If Dean tells the entire truth, I can easily see Lisa saying "I can't fucking believe you brought a vampire in my house and near my kid." Even one he thought he could control; (to his credit, he shoved Ben away when and because he felt capable of possibly harming him). When she said "come when you can" she also said "but come in one piece" and he really went against that.
Just my feelings on the subject, of course you're completely entitled to yours.
Hugs,
Jackie
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I want Dean to be with them. I get that it's not going to happen, but Dean could do a much better job of handling things. They obviously want to be together even though they know it's a bad idea (with the exception of Ben) and it just breaks my heart that they can't be.
Even with all the shit in Dean's life, I think he could be good for them if he just gave it half a chance.
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ANY WAY I totaly AGREE damn it! And I don't understand why they said that lisa called 6 times and dean didnt answer. Then when Ben calls SAM had to push Dean to go WTFUCK? And THEN after the great "You know you are ?running out? on your family now" (dont remember the actual words but what ever) WE SEE that dean realize it AND HE DOESNT SAY ANY THING AND LEAVES.
okay bitching over. I loved the ep, loved the MoTW and Lisa perfect Ben (acting wow kido is better) but argh! dean douch is weird! so out of the blue.
okay i said i was done. but but but ARGH!
Oh yeah, I'm just happy cause I like to think the writers are amazing and dont live any thing open unless they want to use it which in my mind means we WILL see them again HURRAY! C'mon whats wrong with the arrangment they took at the beggining of the season? Lisa was a single mother any way so she can deal with not having dean all the time ! okay now enough seriously shutting up
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I get that he can't be with them, but I wish he would just open his mouth and SAY SOMETHING once in a while, ya know?
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Conceptually, I totally am. And I actually read this before I watched the ep and thought, yeah that's probably right. But after seeing it? I don't know. The way that Dean looked after Ben pointed out that he was running out on his family made me think that Dean had never actually thought of Lisa and Ben as his family at all. He looked like the idea was totally new to him. And I think that's partly because Dean has this compartmentalisation in his head where John and Sam are his only real family and no-one else counts.
To be brutally honest, something in the show just isn't selling me on Dean wanting to be with Lisa and Ben. I actually wonder if it's the scripting, or possibly the way that Jensen's chosen to play the part (cos I really WANT to believe that he wants them), but it's not working for me. The only person who's nailing it in the scenario is Lisa (or, rather, the woman playing her). I really believe that Lisa loves Dean, but is trying (painfully) to get past that, because she thinks it's best for everyone.
As I said, in concept I agree with what you're saying. If you take the scenes and what we know about Dean and the year they had etc etc, then what you've said should be true. I just feel like that's not what I'm actually watching on-screen. Then again, the whole ep felt 'off' to me.
Maybe that's my fault tho. Cos when the girl got the glass to the kidney, I was like "what? What happened there?" and was horribly confused!
I do however agree that Dean's being douchey. Whichever way you cut it. Still, it must be his turn by now... ;-)
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I mean, Dean says all kinds of shit that makes me think he really does think of them as his family (like "I know he's not my kid, but I kind of feel like yeah he is" or "just tell your mom you broke the damn thing and take it like a man" or "Go to your room" at the same time as Lisa) and he just feels so much like Ben's dad that I need that in my life.
Plus, Ben loves him and looks up to him so hard that I want Dean to be better for him. Actually, Dean and Ben sort of remind me of John and Dean. Like how Ben's this wicked cool kid, totally confident and awesome and shit, but then Dean yells at him and he's all timid and 'sorry sir' and running off to his room.
But yeah, the time comes to prove that Dean loves them like he says he does and it's like he forgets they exist, they call him out and he just stares dumbly at them and runs away, then pines in his car and I'm like... WTF?
Ben is seriously breaking my heart, but yeah, I agree that Lisa is handling the situation exactly like she probably should.
I just want them to be together! Dean deserves something normal and happy and he's just too much of a complete tool to recognise that he finally had it.
Plus, all the sex Sam's giving him probably keeps his mind off them ;)
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Yeah, Dean's made it clear a few times that he definitely thinks of Ben as his family (not really Lisa actually, which makes me sad) so I just don't get his reaction there.
I just want him to act like he cares.
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I've thought this all along. I really like Lisa and Ben and Dean with Lisa and Ben. I think maybe the problem is that Dean never really thought of them as his family, so he maybe didn't think about it like this until Ben said it. Because as much as Dean was trying with them that year, he was still hanging onto Sam so hard that I'm not sure he really thought about them as 'family'.
Which is actually just showing how bullheaded Dean can be sometimes.
Though I thought when Sam came back that Dean seemed pretty much onboard with the whole 'they are my family too' thing, so maybe this is just bad on the part of the writers.
If this were the last season of the show, I probably would be more worked up about this - because I want this for Dean, with them - but as a viewer, I know they have to keep going for another season.
But what angers me more is Bobby saying this was as close as a hunter has ever gotten - Mary actually seemed to have a nice 'normal' life in the suburbs when she was growing up. The Harvelles did - yeah Bill died, but Dean's already done that a million times anyway.
Really, when Lisa was all, "Waht do you want, Dean?" I thought it was cue for 'grab her and makeout time' - but I can't tell if I really thought that would be good for the show, or if I just want them together, or if I just like watching Dean makeout with people. lol
Also - Dean is Ben's father whether he is actually Ben's father - so even if the Lisa thing doesn't work out, it would be nice for Dean to be a part of Ben's life. Does he think that just up and leaving Ben like this isn't going to lead to Ben being just like him when he grows up. Ben was on his way to being a stubborn cocksure hunter the day that monster moved into his neighborhood and pod-peopled him up.
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But yes - I'd love to see some nummy smooching going on there myself!
I didn't get that comment of Bobby's either. Plenty of hunting families have been happy. Until they died horrible deaths :)
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And when he was going to offer himself up to Michael, didn't he leave stuff for Ben then too?
I didn't get that comment of Bobby's either. Plenty of hunting families have been happy.
Yep.
Both of these things seem like faults on the part of the writers/showrunners. Dean feels kind of all over the place this season - except when he is with Sam. Maybe that's the point, but then drop the Ben & Lisa thing or do something with it! (I prefer 'do something with it' - I would really like to see Dean as a weekend dad - but I know not everyone feels that way).
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But there is one part of me that will never be able to overlook one thing... I'm a really selfish person when it comes to Sam and Dean in a very unhealthy way. As much as I want Dean to be happy and have him do right by Lisa and Ben, I can't stand the though of him having any kind of happiness without knowing Sam is 100% healthy and following behind him... Not even bouncing back and forth...
I have no issues with Lisa and Ben, I don't like them much but whatever makes Dean happy is acceptable of course only if he doesn't have to spend any kind of time away from Sam to be with them. Now if there was a possibility for Sam to crash above the garage/in a shed or in town as some kind of a package deal whenever Dean felt the need to check up, then it would be fine by me... Heck I would love and adore Lisa if she hooked him up with some of her friends or something.
Any other situation though and I declare codependency on the issue and walk away if anything less then that is offer...
But I'm not an idiot and I all through the episode I heard the warning bells going off, and they only do when there is a shift in Sam and Dean's relationship. Dean is obviously realizing he has some kind of duty to Lisa and Ben, and it looks like he's beginning to doubt where he belongs, and so help gawd but I'll smack Kripke if he let's Sam pull that self-sacrificing 'Go be with your family' crap.. especially since it seems like Dean might take him up on the offer and surely not even a pro Lisa&Ben fan would want that right?
And no matter what that idiot says Sam won't be happy until he has a reason to live and keep going, someone to love. And that won´t ever be hunting and on the road.. right now that person is Dean, his only family. They can't split them up in any way..
If that happens I'll curl up in a dark corner and bawl my eyes out I swear... I'll rock back and forth and stay there for days on a hunger strike or something until they have to forcibly remove me.. It'll definitely be a sad and pathetic sight to see..
In the end I want everyone to be happy as well... just as long as the boys are together...
I know selfish but I'm sticking to my guns on 'together'... My stomach literally drops at the thought of them not being together when all they have left is each other..
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I mean, I've been a Wincester and a fan of their seriously unhealthy co-dependency since day one, but lately I'm just not feeling it.
I love Lisa and Ben and honeslty, I'd be happy if Dean settle down with them after him and Sam called it quits.
Sure, I love Dean and Sam and I love them even more together, but there comes a time when you just have to say enough is enough. And that time seems like about now, when all they ever do is make each other miserable anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to be happy brothers again, but if Show isn't giving that to us, I'm moving on. I'll see each of them happy with whoever will make them that way, even if it's not each other.
At this point, I want them to go their seperate ways. And I hate that I do, but... It just feels like the only way.
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I do however sincerely hope Kripke and the writers get there freaking act together and close up this show nice and tidy, and that they haven't broken the brothers bond beyond repair...(is it really too late? Soul-mates+Family+through the shitty, catastrophic, Apocalypse and beyond= Brother's till the end?)
This is a sincere question; Is it my continuing denial that insists that they should blame the past 5 years(seasons) on the supernatural and move past it together in a normal life without it, but you know... together(+Lisa&Ben).. in the end of the show?
I mean I just don't see a way where fans with your opinion and pov(completely rational) and then fans like me who think the opposite(denial? hope?) will both be satisfied by whatever ending Kripke comes up with... at least not completely satisfied... I mean if Dean leaves Sam for Lisa&Ben I'm pretty sure that on my side of the front there would be a 10 foot electric fence needed to keep us from doing very bad things to Kripke, and if Dean doesn't I'm pretty sure your front would think of it as Kripke's mistake as well...
And if he meets us half way and it ends with maybe Sam and Dean getting into the impala and Dean saying something like "...Dinner's at six and Lisa will have my head if she has to warm it up, again." or talking about something Ben did or a game he can't miss, implying that he does have a normal life but he hasn't totally abandoned Sam on the road... it would probably be a hoax, right? Total pipe dream?
Is it futile to hold onto that hope that it doesn't have to be one way or the other?
It probably is right? I mean Kripke's a bastard and he won't hesitate to squeeze whatever remains of the brother's relationship completely dry for the rest of this season especially if it's the last, and it would be so like the little weasel to either go one way or the other like last season finale..
It just really really sucks, and I hate it and... ugh it makes me so mad 'cause your totally right but saying it's okay for Dean to leave Sam feels like giving up on them, and you're not doing that, I know moving on is wanting the best for them, but I need to believe they can make each other happy again...
I just really really need that right now, and I so want to kick Kripke's ass if he can't make that happen! I want; rainbows and sparkles and freaking unicorns and pegasus', lots and lots of candy and chocolate, fluffy white clouds and the blinding sun, shooting stars that make dreams come true every night on a 2 minute interval and puppies befriending cute little kittens, Bora Bora, Thailand and Cancun to come together and have a perfect beach baby that is conveniently located in my back yard, also total world freaking peace and a end to poverty/strife/and wars and maybe a set of wings, is that too freaking much to ask?!!?
Saying I have issues and am frustrated would be putting it mildly... trust me I know...
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Oh, I love Dean/Sam fiction, so I'm under the same influence you are :)
Don't get me wrong. I'd LOVE to see Dean and Sam living happily ever after together. I really would. And I would love Show if they would actually really start to get along again, if the boys could go back loving each other and needing each other and honestly being happy.
But they really need to sell it. I think that'll be the hard part. They've been through so much and really, they don't make each other happy. Ever. It's all misery, and as long as that keeps up, I just want better things for them.
Personally I would love to see Dean end up with Lisa and Ben. But it's not ever really about them. Even if they weren't in the picture I still wouldn't want the brothers together at this point.
Like I said, in the end I'd love it, as long as it feels real, and right now it doesn't.
I guess I'm just kind of bracing for the sucktastic ending that I see coming. Because you're right; no matter what happens, half the fans are going to be upset.