No!!!!!! [RockStarPeach]

Okay, I've gotta say. Overall, it was a fun, solid, entertaining episode.

But NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was hoping for an episode in which I wasn't pissed off at anyone. And it mostly happened! Yay!

I'll admit, I was a little miffed with Dean at the beginning. Or, maybe I just feel sorry for him for being so stupid. No... I was miffed. I'm still miffed. What the hell made him think it was a good idea to leave Cas in that hospital with MEG, of all people, looking after him? I mean... I know they didn't part on good terms, with Cas going dark side and all, but he was the best friend Dean ever had and he comes back from the dead and Dean just... leaves him with strangers (and a demon)? What the fuck, Dean?

It just really seems to be downplaying the importance of the relationship they had. It hit Dean pretty hard when Cas died and now Cas is back (sort of, anyway) and Dean's pretty much acting like he doesn't care.

I mean, obviously Dean loves Sam more than Cas, so I'm not really saying he should react to both people in the same way, but come on. When it was Sam stuck in the hospital Dean was doing whatever it took to get him better. Now it's Cas, stuck there and Dean's all 'I hear Thursday is pudding day! Have fun!'.

And there was that time when Sam admitted to using the talking board to contact Bobby without telling Dean about it and I wanted to punch him in the face, because what? Are you kidding? You're gonna 'take care of it' on your own? Dick move. But then Sam said that he wasn't in his right mind and yeah, I can see where he might have been coming from, half crazy and wanting to protect Dean, because Dean obviously wasn't handling things well, so. Yeah, I still don't think that was a good move, but I understand.

Other than that, there was a lot of awesome!

I enjoy Garth. He grows on you :) It was a classic episode, felt like the good monster hunting kind of stuff we used to see all the time. And dude. Dude. How cute were the brothers when Sam was all teasing Dean about not being able to get drunk anymore and then they're watching the video totally plastered and Dean dribbles his drink back out when Baxter came in? ADORABLE.

So, it was more or less all good.

Until the end.

Son of a fucking bitch, I don't want ghost!Bobby!!!

I know they've been hinting at it since he died, but I was hoping, ignoring the signs and hoping to hell they wouldn't go there. We know that becoming a ghost is like, the worst fate possible for a hunter. It's why Dean decided to with Tessa back in 'In My Time Of Dying' (before Azazel saved him). He knew he'd turn batshit crazy and start killing people eventually and that goes against everything he's ever fought for.

And to think of Bobby one day becoming that... Just no. He put in some serious years, did some serious good and he deserves some fucking rest, damn it.

Although... now I'm curious about why he's such a weak ghost and he can't communicate like he wants...

Other than that though - I really liked it :) Good case, not too much unneeded tension, decent humour and some cute moments where you just need to smile.

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Yeah, they actually talked about the learning curve of being a ghost and decided since Bobby knew so much about it, he should be Amityville from the jump.

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I think the reason Dean is acting like he doesn't care in regards to Cas is because he is trying to really NOT CARE. So it won't hurt that the friend who betrayed him is alive and so he just won't have to deal with feelings. It's true that Cas was his best friend, but he did hurt Dean and it must hurt so much because Cas was pretty much Dean's only friend ever. It took him some time to forgive Sam for all the season 4 events.

Trying to box things up and not think of them is the old standby for Dean. The only thing it never really worked for was things about Sam.

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Yeah, I guess. I mean, I know Dean deals with things by not dealing with them. And yes, it took him a long time to forgive Sam for S4, so I'm not thinking he should give Cas a thousand hugs and they should braid each other's hair and sing Kumbaya.

But even when he was pissed as hell at Sam for betraying him, he'd still have done anything it took to help him. And I know Cas did horrible things, but he also did so much to help them over the years, I think he deserves at least something for that. Especially since Dean obviously does still care for him a great deal.

How cute were the brothers when Sam was all teasing Dean about not being able to get drunk anymore and then they're watching the video totally plastered and Dean dribbles his drink back out when Baxter came in? ADORABLE.

My most favourite parts. And that the majority of the humor came from Garth, and not OOC Dean or Sam (I'm having serious issues w some of the writing this season...)

Also, right there w ya on the ghost!Bobby thing. Or at least, IDEK, I just really didn't like how it was dealt w this ep.

Sorry, I'm feeling all negative-Nancy-esque.

Aww, being negative is okay sometimes. I know how you feel. I still love the show, but I feel... I don't know. Let down by it, lately, I guess. Stupid, but it happens with most shows. Nobody can keep up that much awesome for that long :)

Maybe the writers are flirting with the Ghost Whisperer format and Bobby has to do something important --help Sam and Dean conquer the Leviathans-- before he can see the light and cross over. IDK. Just a whackadoo theory.

I adore Bobby. I think he ROCKS. I was excited to see him back.

Then again, I had freakin' goosebumps when the opening credits for Star Wars The Phantom Menace started and look how that turned out.

I once read an interview where bestselling author David Eddings had said that he *shouldn't* write more of The Belgariad just because the fans were asking for it. The story had come to its natural conclusion and writing more books in the series would have been lazy on his part and the fans probably would not like the results even though they had asked for it.

I hope Bobby's return isn't the Phantom Menace. (Please God, no...)

I'm not familiar with Ghost Whisperer, so I don't know what that format is, but that does seem like a possibility.

Still... I just hate the whole idea. I wanted Bobby to realise he was done and get some damn rest. It's true, when something is done, the writers should just let it be done. Even though people might want more of it, they'll just be disappointed because it could probably never live up to their expectations.

I was pissed off when the writers killed off Rufus. He was supposed to be the super-parnoid, crazy bastard who outlived everybody because he was so damn paranoid. I think I almost cried when Bobby died. I kept telling myself the writers were going to put him in a coma. Coma, yeah, that's it...sorta daytime drama-y, but... yeah.

And then--

NO! They f'ing killed off Bobby? WTF writers!

(Now I really have to make good on my promise to watch more of Justified. LOL Never saw Deadwood though.)

I can't say I'm sorry to see Frank go. I didn't like his character. Nothing against the actor. Were any of the SPN writers also X-Files writers?

Well, Kim Manners worked on the X-Files and I'm pretty sure there must be other connections. Because the shows have striking similarities. Or at least, they used to.

And speaking of X-Files... The way you felt when Rufus was killed was the way I felt when Krycek was killed! He seemed like the sneaky little weasel that would always survive no matter what, and then what happens? He gets shot by Skinner in the parking garage. LAME.

I'm honestly not all that torn up about Bobby being dead. It was expected. I just think if they killed him, they should balls up and fucking KILL HIM, not pussy around it and bring him back. He's worth more than that.

And I did like Frank!

I think they're setting up how to bring back Cas and Bobby for the season ending. I would assume that they would be helping to send the Leviathan back to Purgatory. I felt a little cheated that they decided to go the ghost!Bobby route but I hope they let him rest after his work is done.

And seriously, when are they bringing Baby back? It's simply ridiculous how long we've been without her and the boys are sporting a Pacer? Egads, how is Dean tolerating this?

Garth blasting Bel Biv Devoe was hilarious. I loved the little flashbacks of all the times Bobby and the boys have had dealings with Garth over the years. He's like the comic relief Rufus (although I thought Rufus was quite funny at times, too) that we never knew we were missing.

Well, as much as I'd love to see them again, the idea makes me nervous. For starters, if this is how they set it up, no thanks. Also, getting more of what you want after a story line is finished is inevitably a let-down.

But yes. YES!!!! I don't think bringing Baby back could ever let down anybody in any way EVER. The world needs more Baby.

And yeah, Garth made me smile a whole lot :)

Son of a fucking bitch, I don't want ghost!Bobby!!! I agree, but remember this is the SPN world & Bobby's coming back in flesh !!!!!!

...I don't know if that's better...

I think it is because he's not angry that is where most of the ghost get their strength from. He able to help them out once in a while but I'm betting in those times he is frustrated which gives him a power-up. Maybe Bobby will cross over once Dick is dead but wants to see it all through first.

I don't agree with the whole Meg thing. I mean yeah it is in her best interest to protect Cas the enemy of my enemy & all but I don't think I'd allow her to be the one keeping an eye on Cas. There is more going on with the Lucifer thing then what we are seeing. Lucifer isn't an illusion, I'm willing to bet there was a piece of his grace embedded in Sam's soul and that is what was making him crazy. Now Cas took that piece of Lucy's grace into himself and has to figure out how to get rid of it. The grace is a snapshot of Lucy kinda like a Horcrux.

I love Garth. He's actually a good hunter if you really pay attention. He figured out about Bobby really quick and then the guys Illegitimate son.

Hehe It's like a vitamin for you. That was a really good line. Dean actually getting drunk & smiling a bit was bittersweet. They've been making more comments about Deans drinking so I wonder if that is going to be something that is going to be addressed soon because Sam is right Dean always has a drink in his hand & it is beginning to get sad.

Yes, there could be a whole lot of reasons Bobby isn't communicating very well. What it all boils down to is the writers want tension. For me, it's not working. I don't want it, I don't the result of it and I'm getting bored and angry.

But oooh, interesting idea about some of Lucifer's grace being put in Sam's soul. I agree it's not just a mental thing for Sam. If it was, Cas wouldn't have been able to steal it from him like that. So yeah, that's a possibility.

I think they're hitting Dean's drinking a little too hard. I like when they acknowledge it, in the background somewhere, but I'm feeling hit over the head with it these days. So yeah, hopefully that means it's actually going somewhere.

Garth is great. I like it when the writers give us glimpses into how other Hunters deal with the life. Garth doesn't seem bothered by it at all, calling up his Special Lady and inviting her to share his hot tub, all after he ganks some evil sons of bitches. Awesomeness! I'd like to see more of Garth, which means the writers will probably kill his ass off the show. Maybe another Bad Day at Black Rock ep with cursed Sam and he knocks poor Garth off the side of a cliff or something?

I agree that they should be trying to help Cas. Although pudding is pretty awesome... :P

Having said that, I wonder if they're just drawing a complete blank. I mean, it's all snake oil, right? Dean couldn't find anything to help Sam and he was going to die - but then there was a bit of divine intervention. Maybe there's just nothing left they can think of to help Cas. Not that that's ever stopped anyone on SPN before...

I'm pretty sure, looking back, that being a ghost was Bobby's choice. I mean, he refused to go with the reaper. (You just reminded me about that with the stuff about Tessa.) He obviously decided that his work wasn't done yet - what with Sam and Dean being such idjits and all. Maybe in a fit of insanity, he assumed they'd be smart enough to figure out about him and help him. Poor, misguided Bobby... :P

Garth is made of awesome. Bless him.

I thought the video watching and especially the booze spitting out was cute, but did you really think Sam was teasing Dean? It didn't sound like he was joking around to me. They both know that the booze is a far too fundamental part of Dean's daily life now.

Overall, decent ep. Still somehow not feeling the love though - sometimes the characters seem like a bunch of strangers.

Well, obviously Cas isn't as good a lay as Sam, so Dean doesn't feel quite so motivated to bust him out :)

But yeah, Bobby fought the reaper at first, but I thought he made peace with it. It's... disappointing, I guess, to find out that he didn't. I know, I know. Same thing Tessa said when Dean said his work wasn't finished.

Every soldier ever plucked from the field of battle says the same thing. But life goes on. You're dead. Let it go.

No, Sam wasn't teasing so much as... well, doing that thing where he's completely serious but says it in a way that's sort of lighter than serious.

Hopefully things will get better over the next couple of eps. I'd like a good ending to this season.

I've been having a real problem with the writing on most of this seasons episodes, it seems very disjointed with odd bits of OOC moments and plot holes you can drive a truck through.

I'm conflicted about Garth, on the one hand he can be very amusing and I love Dean's expressions when he has to deal with him. On the other hand he really is too out-there to be believable as a serious hunter and as Bobby said "how is it, he's not dead".

I really don't get the whole Meg thing, not sure why she is hanging around and why the boys would trust her even a little bit.

As far as Cas goes, heres another example of shoddy writing as far as I'm concerned. The story of how he was found and then "married" all in the space of 3 months? Also why would he go insane at the prospect of seeing Lucifer even in his mind, that doesn't make sense to me. It seems that they wanted to bring back Cas, but not have him available on a full time basis, and get Sam out of the crazy zone and thought putting the two things together would solve the problem, but it just doesn't work for me. Also Dean leaving Cas in the hospital w/Meg is very OOC for him.

Ghost!Bobby is another whole issue, I'm glad Bobby is back and as you said they have been hinting about it for a while so it was no big surprised when he turned up, however I can't imagine where they are going with this story line. If they make Dean destroy the flask in order to allow Bobby to move on I will seriously lose MY mind, that would just be too cruel.

I'm totally miffed about the Cas thing. Okay, obviously they can't cart a catatonic guy around in the backseat, and obviously Dean just doesn't know how to deal with his best friend betraying him like that, but surely there's a better option than leaving him with a demon who wants to use his powers to save her own ass!

I get why Bobby might fall into the trap of wanting to stay close to his boys, to protect them from acting like idjits without him around to steer them straight.... But to become what he's spent his whole life fighting?? That's a horrible, bitter ending for a hero. He deserves so much better than that.

It just really seems to be downplaying the importance of the relationship they had. It hit Dean pretty hard when Cas died and now Cas is back (sort of, anyway) and Dean's pretty much acting like he doesn't care.

I totally 100% agree with that. It was why I was so pissed at the end of the previous episode - Dean didn't seem the least bit affected by the way Cas was in there drooling on himself. I know Dean doesn't do good with his own emotions, but come on man, show an angel some love.

But the boys were pretty damn cute all drunk together. I was worried it would just be a repeat of the 'happy-sandwich' episode but it was kind of cute.

I am so pissed about Bobby though. I too have been ignoring the signs because why can't they just let Bobby finally have some peace?!?! But I have a theory abut why Sam couldn't reach Bobby with the talking board...he is stuck there because of Deab's flask (the one that used to be Bobby's) and if Sam was using the talking-board someplace that Dean wasn't, well maybe Bobby couldn't respond to him because he is tethered to the flask? Maybe if Dean tried the talking board. It's a theory anyways.

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