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Okay, no it doesn't.

I actually liked tonight's episode, for the most part.  There was all kinds of badass Winchesters and Bobby getting some and some Dean singing along with Air Supply...

But something worth noting, is how Dean got called out on his lie about Amy.  We've been waiting for it since it happened, but I'm honestly surprised it happened this way.  I'm surprised Dean didn't come forward on his own about it.  Because, let's face, the boys lie to each other.  Often and vigour.  It's like a competative sport for them.

But usually when Sam lies, he gets caught out by a third party or some half-assed detective work on Dean's part (drinking Ruby's blood, gettign dosed with Azazel's, going after Lilith).  Dean usually lies for a little while and then comes clean on his own (torturing in Hell, John asking him to kill Sam).  But this time, when Dean got caught in his lie, he didn't seem nearly as sorry about it as Sam usually does when Dean catches him.  He seemed kind of... tired.  Resigned.  Like he knew it was coming and he didn't really care.

Which brings me to why I hate this show.  Sometimes.  Not really.  Maybe a little.  Except not.

How many times can the boys go their seperate ways and then get back together without it getting old?  Uh, however many times it's happened minus one and counting. 

Seriously, it seems like all they ever do is make each other miserable.  I love the boys and I love them together, but only so long as it's good for them.  And for a good while now, it seems like being together isn't good for them at all.  They don't seem happy together and I'm starting to think they'd honestly be better off if they went their seperate ways for good.  I mean, if they could even be a liitle bit good for each other, for once, then I'd say 'Hell yes, be besties forever and ever OMG!!!'  But.

It's getting sort of long past the point where I cheer for them to kiss and make up, and if they can't manage to mend some serious fences, pretty damn quick, I'm going to lose most of my emotional investment.

Oh, and one more thing. Micheal Hogan made me want to weep. Big, sloppy tears. Because he is amazing. One of the best actors I have ever seen, ever, and his part in this episode? Did not do him justice.

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posted by [identity profile] verucasalt123.livejournal.com at 03:02am on 29/10/2011
I am trying to foresee when they're going to figure out that going their separate ways NEVER works out well. N E V E R. Why do I know that and they don't? Well, probably because Show likes to break our hearts.
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 03:07am on 29/10/2011
See, whereas I'm trying to figure out why they'd want to possibly stay together, because THAT never ends well.

Huh. Different strokes.

I just read your post, by the way and can I just give you squishy hugs? Because out of four reviews I've read so far, you're the only one that recognised Air Supply. Yay you!
 
posted by [identity profile] verucasalt123.livejournal.com at 03:12am on 29/10/2011
Are you old like me? I remember Air Supply from the roller skating rink with my 7th grade boyfriend :)
 
posted by [identity profile] katsheswims.livejournal.com at 03:18am on 29/10/2011
Was Micheal Hogan the sheriff?

Actually I think Dean finding out about Sam getting blood from Azazel as a baby was him finding out from a third party-Sam kept that secret for over a year and then Dean found out Sam already knew when he told Sam he found out from Azazel (in the past).

When Sam walked away at the end up this episode it did seem a little redundant, but it just seems like the way Sam deals with things I guess...my first thought actually when he walked away tonight was that I thought he outgrew this...

I am still loving the show though!
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 01:00pm on 29/10/2011
Yeah, isn't that what I said? That when Sam lies about things, Dean has to find out from someone else?

But anyway, it just seems like they split up so much that it loses a lot of the emotional impact it had the first half dozen times it happened :)

I'm still enjoying it too, though, overall!
 
posted by [identity profile] tashilover.livejournal.com at 05:52am on 29/10/2011
Actually, that's exactly what I said to my sister. I liked the episode, but I'm sick and tired of the whole, Break-apart-the-brother-relationship arc. We get that EVERY SEASON. And frankly, Amy was in one episode, and so the emotional fallout for her character was not there. "Ooh! Dean killed a girl we barely knew and suddenly the girl-we-barely-knew is going to be the dividing line for the brothers!"

No. I felt more emotion for Rachel and she had less screen time.

Argh, stop it! Must remind self... I liked the episode...

JODY MILLS! Love you. Thought the love interest between her and Bobby was a bit fast (not forced. Fast) but enjoying it all the same.

The Leivathan minions dying by cleaning supplies. LOL.

And oooooooh! The Leviathan totally pissed off the wrong demon!
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 01:03pm on 29/10/2011
Right? The two of them splitting up is getting old and it's losing a lot of the emotional impact it used to have. I'm just bored when I see it now. And to break apart over Amy, when they have plenty of better reasons...

But yeah, it was mostly fun and I'm excited for the rest of the season.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 06:31am on 29/10/2011
Why are you even going to watch the show if you're just going to complain about it? Don't like it then don't watch it. The boys will go their separate ways however many times they fucking want to. Do you even know how many times people in the real world go their separate ways and get back together? They're FAMILY, it's what family does. They get pissed at each other. In the real world, you can get away from your siblings, for a while at least, then go back to them and be friends again because it's what siblings do. But Sam and Dean are always together, they don't have anyone else to turn to, so of course they're going to want some space once in a while. Shut the fuck up about it if you're going to watch it. Hate it with all your heart if you want to, but please, don't turn into an annoying whining bitch about it when it doesn't go the way you want it to.
 
posted by [identity profile] kasmodia.livejournal.com at 08:54am on 29/10/2011
Anonymous bitching. Classy.
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 01:17pm on 29/10/2011
What the fuck even is this comment?

I have a journal. I have an opinion. If you're not interested in either of them, perhaps you shouldn't be reading.

I just pointed out that when they split up all the damn time it loses some of the emotional impact they might be going for. On the television show.

If anyone is coming off as an annoying, whining bitch here, it aint me.
 
posted by [identity profile] bythedamned.livejournal.com at 06:55am on 29/10/2011
just throwing this out there... I also thought Dean looked resigned, but not cause he didn't care. this is one of Dean's biggest fears/self-doubts. that sam would leave. and on top of that, this one he actually brought on himself. he's been waiting for this shoe to drop for years, literally, so now that it's here he accepts it as the inevitable truth he thinks it is. My first thought was actually, 'Sam, how dare you, you know what this does to Dean'. Not to mention that Sam needs Dean to keep the hellucinations in check but, yeah, we all know that kind of logic would be expected too much :P
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 01:24pm on 29/10/2011
Hm. Could be. I think Dean's been resigned about a lot of things lately, though. He just seems to have lost all direction and purpose and he's kind of going through the motions of everything (hunting and Sam and picking up that bartender) but not really feeling any of it.
 
posted by [identity profile] nicole-sill.livejournal.com at 08:49am on 29/10/2011
Yes to Michael Hogan! His paranoia in this episode totally made it for me. He was some crazy voice of reason, which, hey, we sorely lack in this show where everyone goes in guns blazing. "Me personally, I like to live." yeah, me too!

Why have Sam stomp out of the car and tell Dean to leave him, if we just see them back together in the preview clip?

And Air Supply, oh god yes. I realize we're meant to think Dean is just getting chocked up about leaving the car, but my little slashy heart saw some mourning for Castiel there. I can dream, right?
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 01:33pm on 29/10/2011
I know! It's always nice when someone says 'hey, slow down. how 'bout we go with the plan that's least likely to kill us all!'

Ha! It is now my head canon that Dean was thinking of how he's out of love and lost without Cas :)
 
posted by [identity profile] kasmodia.livejournal.com at 09:02am on 29/10/2011
Don't say it out loud! I want them to be deliciously dysfunctional without each other. Co-dependency looks so damn good on them (nearly as good as those 'sexy wounds'... *coughs*).

But lately I've also been wondering if separating for good - with the occasional case or beer together - wouldn't be the smart thing to do.

Lucky me they NEVER do the smart thing...

Bobby/Jody!!! I'm so massively charmed that I'm willing to ignore it's het and make Crowley Bobby's ex in my headcanon.
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 07:50pm on 29/10/2011
Mmm... co-dependent boys...

Yeah, but Dean seems so disinterested in absolutely everything these days that I can't see him going into his 'I miss Sam' funk. Which is just a waste.

Ha! Yes, we'll forgive the het this time, since it's so cute :)
 
posted by [identity profile] ash-carpenter.livejournal.com at 01:36pm on 29/10/2011
What I want to know is why Bobby didn't cut the dude's head off and salt and burn it - and all of his other appendages - before trying a pellet gun.

But, no. Clearly keeping the head in a box is a much better way to go.

Overall, I LOVED the ep - it's far and away my favourite of this season. But I think that's because I like messed up, psycho Winchesters (even if they're fake). Although I will say that at first I assumed Sheriff Mills was a leviathan - the same as I sort of thought Bobby might be when he turned up after his house exploding with a "what? Of course I'm fine". Which does sort of make me wonder if everyone's acting very OOC if I can't tell whether they might be leviathans or not...

The boys are always going to walk away from each other, but never for long. It doesn't really seem that different to two kids going off to different rooms to sulk until they've gotten over whatever issue it is. It would be more fun for us if they just settled it with a fistfight...

I'm being facetious, there. This was one time where I was really with Sam in needing some space from Dean. I think that what Dean did was awful and he shouldn't have lied about it (and clearly Dean agrees with me that he was being a douchebag or else he wouldn't have felt so guilty about it). It's too raw and new for Sam to listen to Dean's POV, although I'm sure he will eventually. It's gotta be hard - Dean is Sam's "stone number one" in trying to hang onto the fraying threads of his sanity, so he kinda needs him to be a bit more reliable at the moment.

But dude...The singing to Air Supply. A world of yes! :D

Oh - and "I like this one's hair better". LMAO.

Love you, baby! And OMG, WTF? Why would someone come over to your own personal journal and read through your opinion and then bitch about it? It's not like you posted on a comm. Asshat anonymous commenters - this never happened in the Buffyverse!
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 08:11pm on 29/10/2011
Yeah, sometimes they do stuff that doesn't make any sense at all. And I totally thought Bobby was a leviathan too in that ep. He just seemed really weird and the whole situation was really weird.

I get that Sam needs space from Dean. Hell, if I had to live with either of those boys 24/7 I'd go completely nuts. But I don't know. I don't think what Dean did was so wrong, but I think lying to Sam about it was. There really wasn't a 'right' thing to do in that situation.

And I don't get why Dean is feeling so guilty over Amy. He's done plenty of shit that he should feel guilty about, though I think she's pretty far down on the list.

But yeah, I get that right now Sam needs Dean to be a little better, to give Sam something good to focus on. Too bad Dean's kind of decided to check out!

And OMG, those leviathan dressed as Dean and Sam were hilarious! Of course Dean has better hair :P Heh, and notice how they both wanted to be Dean? Duh.

Heh, the funny thing about the anonymous comment is that, as you said, I didn't post it on a comm or anything, so this is obviously someone who is either on my flist or who decided to look at my journal. And then clicked on the cut, which the post is behind. It's not like they could have accidentally come across and had thier buzz harshed.

The entry title is 'This show sucks ass' for fuck's sake. (Even though this show is awesome)

So, they went out of their way - twice - to read this and then bitched at me for having an opinion. It's one thing to disagree, but seriously. What the actual fuck.
 
posted by [identity profile] cassiopeia7.livejournal.com at 01:56pm on 29/10/2011
I love this post! (Even though your title scared me.) ;)

But usually when Sam lies, he gets caught out by a third party or some half-assed detective work on Dean's part (drinking Ruby's blood, gettign dosed with Azazel's, going after Lilith). Dean usually lies for a little while and then comes clean on his own (torturing in Hell, John asking him to kill Sam). But this time, when Dean got caught in his lie, he didn't seem nearly as sorry about it as Sam usually does when Dean catches him. He seemed kind of... tired. Resigned. Like he knew it was coming and he didn't really care.

Although I never considered the comparison between Sam's lying consequences and Dean's (brilliant, BTW), the above was pretty much how I saw Dean's reaction in my post. He's been waiting for that shoe to drop through two episodes, and when it finally does, he's just . . . yeah. He knows Sam is going to be pissed and he just wants this over with.

*also tired of the boys splitting up whenever things get emotionally difficult*

ETA: Just saw the "anonymous" post. WTF, really? And on your personal journal, too? Wow. D:
Edited Date: 2011-10-29 02:00 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 08:17pm on 29/10/2011
Yeah. Dean obviously knew the truth was going to come out sooner or later and I think it's all part of his new, apathetic attitude that he just thought 'Yeah, I fucked up, Sam's pissed. Next?' It's like he's not feeling anything these days and it makes me sad for him and Sam both.

And I know, right? Who the hell seeks out personal journal entires just to bitch someone out for having an opinion that's different than theirs?
 
posted by [identity profile] lavishsqualor.livejournal.com at 07:41pm on 29/10/2011
He seemed kind of... tired.  Resigned.  Like he knew it was coming and he didn't really care.
Exactly this. So I read that Jensen and Jared, like, rewrote this scene because they thought it was originally too sappy. But I'm now scared that maybe they just ended up taking out how Dean really felt. Like, he seemed so apathetic. And with the guilt build up about it, I don't know, it just seemd a little OOC to me. :/


 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 08:24pm on 29/10/2011
I'm not sure they so much left out Dean's emotions, as that scene was maybe showcasing that Dean doesn't really have emotions these days.

He seems very 'checked out', has for a while. Like he's only going through the motions and nothing really matters to him. He hunts because it's what he does, but he doesn't have the passion for it anymore. He was going to hook up with the bartender because she hit on him and he figured 'why not', but not because he really wanted it. He's trying to take care of Sam because he thinks he should, but he's just so tired and it really seems like there's a pretty big part of him that just wants it all to be over.
 
posted by [identity profile] lavishsqualor.livejournal.com at 04:39pm on 30/10/2011
This is all so true. And it makes me sad. D:
 
posted by [identity profile] kiltiebum.livejournal.com at 07:21pm on 31/10/2011
Sorry, I'm kinda late to this.

Ep was fine until the leaving thang (again). I mean, what does it bring to the story? Is Sam going to realise something epic while he mooches at a diner somewhere? If it's just a 'cool off' separation, then why not have him say that, hell we know what's happening in the next ep. Sam stomping off, and one of them dying just doesn't raise an eyebrow with me anymore.

Ach. T'was a good ep though, considering it was a new writer. And I totally agree about the fact that they continually rub each other up the wrong way. Where's the love? It's like we left it back in S3 somewhere (probably around about A SN Christmas)
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 05:57pm on 03/11/2011
I'm totally with you.

I loved this episode. One of my all time favourites. But the overuse of the 'brother's splitting up' kind of left me with a bitter taste.

I just want to see them actually LIKE each other again. Is that too much to ask?
 
posted by [identity profile] dodger-sister.livejournal.com at 08:20pm on 01/11/2011
You know, if this were real life, I would be advising these guys to work apart for awhile. You know how couples that work together start to get edgy around each other? I mean, they eat breakfast together, drive to work together, work side by side, grab lunch together, drive home together, eat dinner together and go to sleep next to each other - they don't even really have any outside friends where Dean can be all, "Going to grab a beer with Charlie for a few hours," - You know?

They might have a better relationship if they worked seperate jobs.

But that would make for a whole different kind of show for Supernatural.
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 06:00pm on 03/11/2011
They could definitely use a break. Maybe an extended one.

I want them to make each other happy, but they don't. They make each other miserable and yet somehow always come back for more. I get that they're family and that's what family does, but sometimes you just have to either get over all the shit, or just let each other go.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmissfreak.livejournal.com at 06:05pm on 02/11/2011
i am so sorry to read it. it reminds me of Lisa`s words. she said that Dean would never be happy with Sam. she`s a smart woman, but how i want she`s wrong this time.
 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 06:06pm on 03/11/2011
I love Lisa. I don't think Dean ever will be happy with Sam. Or Sam with Dean. I'd love it if they could, but it seems like it's impossible.

Still, we have imagination :)
 
posted by [identity profile] luvmesomepie.livejournal.com at 04:15am on 03/11/2011
I'm extra late to this party, but still chiming in.

I love the boys, but this season feels so awkward--no one's really acting like themselves, there are these pauses that go on a second too long, looks that seem fraught with meaning but lead nowhere...

But this past week's episode was the best in two seasons! The Levia-Dean and Levia-Sam were kick-ass. The scene in the diner where they're bitching about the very things that I love about the boys that still drive me crazy was fantastic!

Dean lip-synching to Air Supply--I'm still recovering.


 
posted by [identity profile] rockstarpeach.livejournal.com at 06:20pm on 03/11/2011
Yes, exactly.

It all just seems so unresolved. We want and we don't get.

Which I'm used to with this show, but at this point it's kind of getting old.

I did love this episode, like you did. There was so much about it that was amazing (and I feel bad for saying it, but I'm kind of more invested in Leviathan Dean and Sam at this point. I want them to love each other forever because they honestly seem more well adjusted than real Dean and Sam).

Here's hoping the rest of the season is just as wonderful!

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